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24 October 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Veronica Mars: FBI  
I pretty much posted these thoughts in a comment/reply over at apriljoiex's LJ, but figured I'd just slap them up here, too.

If you're a Veronica Mars fan who went and bought the season three DVD set yesterday, or know someone who did, or if you have seen the bonus material already somewhere, then you'll know what I'm referring to here.  And if you haven't, I'd guess some YouTube user or clever poster somewhere may have the stuff ripped and uploaded before too long.

I already watched the deleted scenes and bloopers (see the post two entries below), and saw the webisode content on The CW's site. But I wanted to include some thoughts on what was totally new to me - the 'Season 4 Pitch' that is also included in the bonus material. Rob Thomas and Dan Etheridge get into some (optimistic) detail about the possible concept/direction for the show in a fourth season, and the presentation itself runs about 10-11 minutes of actual shot footage.  My spew is cut below:

The season four pitch hit me with a mixed reaction. The enthusiasm by Rob and Dan Etheridge was bittersweet, since all the potential they thought they saw there was for naught.

As for the show's continuation as Veronica Mars: FBI, I'm not sure how that would have made me feel in the long run, after seeing that 10-11 minute concept. I do think that the world of the character opens up so much wider, with many more paths to choose for storytelling, and I think Veronica was still essentially Veronica as a person.

However, the idea of creating a whole new world of settings and characters in which she is immersed is a daunting task - probably as both a creator producing that world, and as a viewer trying to adjust to the 'seismic shift' (Rob's words) in the little show that could. And I was one of those viewers who was all for this pitch, hoping for any kind of extension for the series. But honestly, I'm not sure this would have been the same show anymore. Like Dawn Ostroff had been quoted as saying, the network was almost looking for a way to keep Kristen and the character, but in a brand new show.

For me, one of the primary draws to the show was the dynamic of the ensemble. Yes, Kristen carried the lead as Veronica, but the framework of the character and the mindset she carried was shaped and influenced so heavily by Keith and Logan, and to lesser extents Wallace and Mac. It would be nice to somehow include Dick and Weevil somewhere, too, but in my mind, those first four supporting characters would have needed to appear somehow over the course of that S4, and I'm just not sure how that would be possible after such a huge change in the show. Keith could probably be worked in smoothly, and perhaps Mac and Wallace could pop up once in a while, or recur every other ep.

I would worry for the fate of Logan in this scenario, though, and since he is my favorite character, that bothers me. Regardless of the 'shipper mentality, Logan became as much of a point of interest, character-wise, as Veronica herself. If his appearance was marginalized into a mini-arc or a one- or two-shot guest appearance, I struggle to see the show's small but loyal fanbase being able to embrace it with the same devotion. Rob created a character that Jason managed to flesh out into an integral part of the ensemble, and the loss of Logan as a recurring regular would be more than risky, IMO.

Of course, all of this is moot, since the series is done, but I'd wish that any possibly hoped-for continuations by Rob (miniseries, film, comic, etc.) would take into consideration which characters gave the show the balance it needed. I'm sure the storytelling would still be stellar if Rob was behind it, no matter who the surrounding cast was, but separating Veronica from everyone that knows who she is or was would be a huge chance that a loyal fanbase may not appreciate, no matter how great the lead character is.

And that is my $.02 on the subject, for now.

There's also an hour-and-a-half feature with Rob Thomas's favorite moments/highlights from the show, so I'll have to get to that later.

Kristen Bell is awesome.
~ CinJudes ~: vm - veronica - 2.13 - ?que?_cinjudes_ on October 24th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
Ok, I know I have S3 from Leg like you do - but can we add this to my queue (since my queue is at an all time low I think) Cause I would at least like to see these features in their intended format and Megan is slowly killing my Leg made downloaded copies (seriously, the child has watched them at least a dozen times). Matter of fact, sometime before vacay next year I probably need new copies of all 3 seasons. And I love you more than butter - you KNOW that. (Is that enough sucking up? Cause I can go all day.) *muah*

I haven't seen it yet, but I agree with you since we have discussed this at length since the concept was first mentioned. I mean, without Logan I for one would be just totally lost. And it's not that I didn't like Veronica - but did I like her ENOUGH outside of KB to have that character anchor a show? Even if I did (which with you as a best friend I know I would) it would feel tainted by the characters we lost. I don't know if I could ever recover from the loss of Logan or the others for that matter. It's better they just left well enough alone.
Jeff: VM - LoVe - 3.01 kiss2j_mac179 on October 24th, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC)
I can start working my way through making copies of all three sets for you, along with HIMYM. You may want to shoot me an email with a list of anything else, though - TV or movie - since I may forget.

You'll see once you watch it, but the amazing part about the S4 pitch was how quickly it was created - from inception, to script writing, to casting the characters, to shooting, and final editing/mixing - it took about 10-12 days. And it's stressed by Rob repeatedly in the commentary that these few scenes weren't necessarily going to be in the show, but to serve as a type of template and general format concept of where the tone/style could be headed. While the whole thing was superbly put together, and Kristen was appropriately slick and hilarious in it, it just filled me with a huge sense of anxiety, too. Had this actually been greenlit, Veronica Mars would be fundamentally altered, and the shift may have been too drastic to accept for some - and I could have been one of the 'some'. Not sure.

Again - you'll understand more of what I mean when you see it.
Joe. The Awesome.: tv | vm parker hmm...enderswrath on November 24th, 2007 09:20 am (UTC)
Haha I so found this post from ...well I don't remember how exactly...probably me just being bored on LJ..anyhow hope you don't think this is kinda weird...but I really wanted to comment on this.

I was one of the fans who were 100% against the idea of this attempt to bring back a beloved show by raping it of all it had been (especially after season 3 being such a week season) and having Veronica thrown into a brand new place with brand new peoples...though after seeing this I was onlt 50% against it...mainly because they could have made it work should they have done it right...

To do it right they would have had to brought Veronica back to Neptune...by assigning her to a case there or something, this way we would get our old cast back and be able to filter in and out new people from the internship that Veronica is at to help V with the case....which could also bring back the season long mystery and as Rob said that he wanted to do, bring back that season 1 feel and have those flashbacks again...

Hope I didn't babble too much...hehe...

Jeff: VM - *tchk*j_mac179 on November 25th, 2007 09:30 pm (UTC)
Don't worry about babbling. The longer the comment, the better, I say - means you have more to talk and/or rant about. Fine with me.

And you're not weird for going back to comment on a month-old entry. I've done the same myself, if I stumble across an interesting LJ post that makes me want to add my own $.02.

And I agree with your take on where that season four should have gone. Getting Veronica back to Neptune would have been vital to maintaining a similar feel for the show, and not having it be something totally new, with just her as the sole carry-over character.

All along I had mixed feelings on the S4 issue, since I knew the time- and place-jump would be part of it. There were no guarantees for any of the other cast members, including a possiblity of shafting Keith and Logan, which, IMO, would have been almost too much to bear, as I mentioned in the post.

The 12 minute presentation was done very well, and it does make one curious as to what may have come of it, but then the season would have also fallen victim to this WGA strike like everything else this fall, and if average ratings still had not bumped over the 2.5-3 million mark (Reaper's ratings in the same time slot are worse than VM S3, btw), The CW could have very well just screwed us fans over anyway with a mid-season cancellation. Who knows how any of it may have worked out. *shrug*

Sorry for my own long-winded reply - thanks for your thoughts!